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八字还没一撇八字還沒一撇
bā zì hái méi yī piě
  1. 1.lit. not even the first stroke of the character 八[bā] has been written (idiom)
  2. 2.fig. things have not even gotten started yet; nothing tangible has come of one's plans yet
八字还没一撇儿八字還沒一撇兒
bā zì hái méi yī piě r
  1. 1.lit. there is not even the first stroke of the character 八[bā] (idiom)
  2. 2.fig. things have not even begun to take shape
  3. 3.no sign of success yet